Brake Pads

[Benlake]

Hi
I have done 2 track days at Blyton Park(supposedly hard track on brakes). First time we had warn down to metal by 2 o clock from pretty new pads.

There were brake issues, we then had callipers rebuild and slide pin bracket replaced / greased and changed fluid. Afterwards brakes felt much better.

On second track day I used brand new brembo discs / pads they lasted 70 miles again by 1 o clock we had to call it a day to save just enough pad to get home on.

Looking at getting some carbotech pads but has anyone had similar issues with crap pads or could there be bigger issue with brakes?

Was hoping I would get quite a few (full!) track days out of a set of carbotech pads.

Thanks

[1979scotte]

You have brake issues.
I've not heard of anyone else having to change pads on track by 1 o'clock.

Before going carbotech try yellow stuff.

Ask the guys that regularly track their cars what they expect out of a set of pads

@Alex Knight
@JB21
@KRAMSNEHPETS
@thetyrant

[james_ly]

I destroyed a set of rears by lunch time when I first tracked the car. I put it down to a sticky caliper as I haven't had an issue since.

Could be crap pads - how long are your sessions?

[thetyrant]

Stock oem road pads dont like hard track use and if your pushing on you can wear them out very quickly!, calipers binding another issue that can cause short pad life but sounds like your on top of that, do keep checking though as they can soon start binding again.

Pads wise something more suitable is the key for track use and longevity, Yellowstuff being the one many start off  with and for the money they work ok and enough for some people, they are still R90 approved fro road use though so this means they cant be more than 15% better than oe, the MR2 isnt heavy on brakes once you realise how fast it will corner so often the yellows will do the job ok.
If you want serious stopping power and good lifespan on track then Carbotech are the way to go, i run XP8 front and rear in my car and stopping power is insane!  lifespan wise i think ive done 3 trackdays now (100+ track miles each day) about 5 sprints events as well as around 5k road miles and they are half worn, not cheap but it pays off in the long run,  it helps im the manager at Carbotech Europe

If on tight budget try the yellowstuff see how they work out for you, but if you can stretch to get some XP8 in there you wont look back

Ian

 

[1979scotte]

@thetyrant

Um where exactly is my discount code for the XP8? 😜

[thetyrant]

@thetyrant

Um where exactly is my discount code for the XP8? 😜

Errrr......im sure its here somewhere

[Alex Knight]

You have brake issues.
I've not heard of anyone else having to change pads on track by 1 o'clock.

Before going carbotech try yellow stuff.

Ask the guys that regularly track their cars what they expect out of a set of pads

@Alex Knight
@JB21
@KRAMSNEHPETS
@thetyrant

I can highly recommend YellowStuff. Been using them for about 5+ years, with lots of trackdays.
Wear rates are actually surprisingly higher than you would think, but they stand up to 2ZZ power with no issues at all. Using Blueprint blank discs. I don't mind the wear rates, as they are quite cheap to buy.

Interestingly, and as a side topic, I have found that my rear brakes wear more quickly than the fronts. Some people on here have experienced the opposite, but in my experience, trackdays take more out of the rear brakes.

I would suggest (as @thetyrant has also) that you either still have a binding issue, or probably more likely, you are using road pads on a circuit. Something I would never do.

[mikek]

Stock oem road pads dont like hard track use and if your pushing on you can wear them out very quickly!, calipers binding another issue that can cause short pad life but sounds like your on top of that, do keep checking though as they can soon start binding again.

Pads wise something more suitable is the key for track use and longevity, Yellowstuff being the one many start off  with and for the money they work ok and enough for some people, they are still R90 approved fro road use though so this means they cant be more than 15% better than oe, the MR2 isnt heavy on brakes once you realise how fast it will corner so often the yellows will do the job ok.
If you want serious stopping power and good lifespan on track then Carbotech are the way to go, i run XP8 front and rear in my car and stopping power is insane!  lifespan wise i think ive done 3 trackdays now (100+ track miles each day) about 5 sprints events as well as around 5k road miles and they are half worn, not cheap but it pays off in the long run,  it helps im the manager at Carbotech Europe

If on tight budget try the yellowstuff see how they work out for you, but if you can stretch to get some XP8 in there you wont look back

Ian

 

I feel a group buy coming on?

[thetyrant]

I feel a group buy coming on?

Haha getting people to commit is near impossible so we rarely do group buys to be honest, I used to try but go so sick of everyone saying they want them and then not paying up, we should do what Eurocarparts do and just jack up the retail price 50% then put a 40% discount code on it,  hardly anyone seems to of noticed this and just think they are getting a bargain when often they are paying over retail price, weird world these days

[1979scotte]

I feel a group buy coming on?

Haha getting people to commit is near impossible so we rarely do group buys to be honest, I used to try but go so sick of everyone saying they want them and then not paying up, we should do what Eurocarparts do and just jack up the retail price 50% then put a 40% discount code on it,  hardly anyone seems to of noticed this and just think they are getting a bargain when often they are paying over retail price, weird world these days

We've had a few successful group buys the majority on this forum are decent people.
I would be interested in trying the carbotech pads as I'm running double stock power and an extra 100kg+ but for the money I've found yellow stuff do the job.

[litr0m]

It's your Way of braking not the material. You have to brake hard and short not long and soft.

Did this stupidity with my WRX.

[thetyrant]

We've had a few successful group buys the majority on this forum are decent people.
I would be interested in trying the carbotech pads as I'm running double stock power and an extra 100kg+ but for the money I've found yellow stuff do the job.

I will give it some thought

[JB21]

First off Brembo OE pads are terrible on track, I too toasted a set on track by dinner. They just cannot withstand the additional heat of track work and melt like cheese.

I currently use Bluestuff up top and yellows on the rear.

The blues on the front are great for the money at just over £70. I'm 3 track days in, 2 at Blyton and one at Bedford and they still have enough for my trip to Oulton in a few weeks.

I've got a spare set of yellows for the front to try back to back against the blues but being the blues are more track oriented I'm pretty confident the yellows wont be as good and as they're both similar priced the blues are a no brainer for me.

I've recently contacted Ian at Carbotech for advice and cost if you're interested. I only enquired as I'll be running full slicks soon so need the brake coefficient to match the grip of the slick tyres.

Link to blues if interested.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F312060925840

[mikek]

We've had a few successful group buys the majority on this forum are decent people.
I would be interested in trying the carbotech pads as I'm running double stock power and an extra 100kg+ but for the money I've found yellow stuff do the job.

I will give it some thought

I managed to get 5+ for the ecumaster group buy at £1000+ so I would think a set of carbotechs is doable.

1) mike k

[Gaz mr-s]

I have no personal experience, but someone who has Carbotech pads told me they eat discs.  He's not a frequent track-driver.

[thetyrant]

I have no personal experience, but someone who has Carbotech pads told me they eat discs.  He's not a frequent track-driver.

Only time ive seen excessive disc wear is with low quality discs, generally for a high performance pad like ours disc wear is good and 2-3 sets of pads to a set of discs is typical, some get more all depends on car and how its driven, also we have 8 different compounds with some more aggressive than others due to the increasing performance levels

I fitted cheap motor factor discs on this car with my XP8 and despite that I think I will still get 2 sets of pads on these discs before they are ready to change.

People seem to expect discs to last for ever for some reason but even on oem road pads discs will usually be done after 2-3 sets of pads, either due to wear or rust.

[Benlake]

Thanks for the advise glad to hear im not the only one who has had this. Im not convinced it is binding as we took the caliper off the bracket and greased the pins it was sliding nicely, unless there is some other thing to check for to rule it out?

I am fairly ruthless with the brake pedal getting it to the point of just starting to lock up on most corners, we were also taught to brake hard initially then ease off to balance the car on entry. Also we try and stick to 10-15 min sessions.

Think I will save up for carbotech and give them a go will see how much wear they do and hopefully will get a few full days out of them. Would rather pay a bit more and not have to worry for a while.