My Woodsport V6 conversion.

Started by Topdownman, August 18, 2015, 21:43

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Ardent

#275
All sorted with a geo.
Mine felt the same on the motorway going down to wheels in motion.
Drive back was totally different. Planted.
Fresh suspension and good tyres but only came together as a complete package once geo done.

The trick is finding a reputable place to do it.
A highly regarded place in leicester had 2 goes using the same kit as Wheels in motion. But still wasn't right.

Went to WIM. Bingo!

tomaky

#276
The front cant be right on mine as i replace the rack not too long ago but imagine driving on stock suspension on 17's there is a lot of gap to be filled under the front with air haha.
Geo's on the list of things to do before the October meet.
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MR2j

#277
Quote from: "Topdownman"I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?

Does the V6 add significantly more weight to the rear? I know the engine is heavier than the 1zz-fe but I thought when someone weighed one on here it wasn't vastly heavier.

MR TWO

#278
Quote from: "MR2j"
Quote from: "Topdownman"I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?

Does the V6 add significantly more weight to the rear? I know the engine is heavier than the 1zz-fe but I thought when someone weighed one on here it wasn't vastly heavier.

I can't remember the actual numbers but the engine being alloy means the weight increase is similar to a small child. Ever noticed the handling of your car changing dramatically because you have a six year old in the back?  There are a couple of gearbox options though and some are lighter than others.  

With uprated suspension and the battery in the front I can report -imo- there are no adverse handling effects following the installation of the 1Mz.
I also have a vented bonnet which might help keep the front down at speed but it could just be in my mind!

I expect Josh and Simon will chime in here soon and they will have their opinion too.
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Topdownman

#279
I believe the engine weighs about 25kg more. The battery in mine is in the front too which takes some weight from the back to the front to offset some of the extra weight. I believe the standard exhaust and cat is heavier than the new ones so that reduces some of the extra weight.

I cant say I notice any difference from the extra weight though. In reality do you notice the feel of the car with a full tank compared to an empty one? I cant say I have ever noticed that.

The extra performance available may of course be distracting us from noticing the weight!
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MR2j

#280
I expect a non standard manifold, mid-pipe and backbox also contribute to reducing the weight at the rear, relocating the battery to the front seems pretty sensible, I always liked the way the battery was nice and low at the front in the MK2. I suppose having coilovers means you can experiment with spring rates at the back to compensate for the weight increase if you really wanted.

1979scotte

#281
Lot of info on engine weight here

 m http://www.mr2.com/forums/archive/index ... 81951.html m

1zz weighs 224lbs dry

1mz weighs 348lbs service weight

so the difference 124lbs give or take some fluids which is 56kg
Also the v6 swaps use something like the s54 box which is heavier than our oem c series box.
I reckon its about the weight of a average women.
After market exhausts save loads of weight but a lot of us have those on our 1zz anyway.
I have had my car weighed 1050kg if i remember correctly. Thats for an 06 with loadsof mods.
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Topdownman

#282
I think that weight is for the iron block motor isnt it? Our alloy ones are lighter(so I have been told, I havent weighed it!).

Maybe one day I might have the car weighed out of curiosity but I dont think its an issue really.
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1979scotte

#283
Quote from: "Topdownman"I think that weight is for the iron block motor isnt it? Our alloy ones are lighter(so I have been told, I havent weighed it!).

Maybe one day I might have the car weighed out of curiosity but I dont think its an issue really.

Sorry mate no the 3vz weighs a massive 469lbs and the 3sgte 421lbs. Theyre the iron block engines.
Its all on mr2.com to look at
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loadswine

#284
And funnily enough, even the iron block 3vz didn't make as much difference as one might think. With a good geo setup, as has been mentioned elsewhere, it was absolutely fine. I loved mine.
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1979scotte

#285
Quote from: "loadswine"And funnily enough, even the iron block 3vz didn't make as much difference as one might think. With a good geo setup, as has been mentioned elsewhere, it was absolutely fine. I loved mine.

With the weight between the axels i agree it should make little difference.
When i took one for a little spin it didnt handle any different to mine.
Am just trying to lay out all the facts.
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Jrichards20

#286
Il get mine weighed next week before I add any bits on so we know the exact difference as I weighed it before it went up  s:) :) s:)
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Alex Knight

#287
Quote from: "Topdownman"In reality do you notice the feel of the car with a full tank compared to an empty one?

100% yes.

I generally get through a tank of fuel in the morning of a track session.

I refill at lunchtime, and the difference is noticeable in the first session after lunch.

1979scotte

#288
Quote from: "Alex Knight"
Quote from: "Topdownman"In reality do you notice the feel of the car with a full tank compared to an empty one?

100% yes.

I generally get through a tank of fuel in the morning of a track session.

I refill at lunchtime, and the difference is noticeable in the first session after lunch.

Track is a bit more extreme than roads use though but i get your point.
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#289
Quote from: "MR2j"
Quote from: "Topdownman"I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?

Does the V6 add significantly more weight to the rear? I know the engine is heavier than the 1zz-fe but I thought when someone weighed one on here it wasn't vastly heavier.

My overall car weight is 2440lbs with 1/2 tank of gas.  I have the S51 transmission which is a little lighter.  I've never weighed front/rear wheels to check balance but the car behaves nicely.  I've only driven track once and autocross once but neither had any problems with handling.
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SuperArt

#290
That's NC Miata territory! Didn't realise the V6 added so much weight. Good job there's torque in abundance.  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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1979scotte

#291
Quote from: "SuperArt"That's NC Miata territory! Didn't realise the V6 added so much weight. Good job there's torque in abundance.  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Its only 55kg heavier than mine. Dont think its bad at all.
I would imagine cycleheads car would be a bit lighter as its a PFL.
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Topdownman

#292
Time for a little update as now have the new bumpers and bodykit on.









I still have a rear spoiler to go on but that is going to need some work before painting as it started to de-laminate while being sanded!

Nice to be finally getting somewhere with all the jobs though.
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#293
Looking good there Simon.
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#294
Looking nice  s:) :) s:)

Which splitter is that on the front?

MisterK

#295
Looks great...that front bumper & spats really work well.  The rear spoiler & shiny exhaust pipes   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  will really finish it off.  Well worth the wait and the hard work.
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Topdownman

#296
Cheers Guys.

It is not a splitter but a Smartlip from ebay. Should stop the fibreglass lip getting damaged at low speed, not sure it will serve any actual purpose at speed because it is flexible so will just bend! Looks good too I reckon though!

One day I will get a less rusty tailpipe....
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#297
Id not noticed your nose badge before Simon.
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#298
Quote from: "StuC"Id not noticed your nose badge before Simon.
Unusual and tasteful.  s:-D :-D s:-D

Dont worry Stu, you have not been negligent! Its new too. Two piece plastic, white and black.
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1979scotte

#299
Looks reet smart
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